how can the united states budget do it? >> can you invest your way out? if we invest in infrastructure, we can invest our way into more jobs. more jobs means people have money to put back into the economy, and that is -- i'm not an economist either. so obviously we have two noneconomists talking about the economy. >> but the thing is, what we're hearing from this administration means more spending. there is no more money. are we going to continue to borrow money from china until china says no more money? i mean, it's coming to that point. >> let's talk about the $5 trillion that mr. romney is going to add on to the debt by giving tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires. you must be against that. >> i think that -- i mean, at the end of the day, it's this class warfare that the administration and the left wants to play. it's pitting the rich against the middle class. >> it's not about the rich against the middle class. >> it is. that's all we hear. >> mr. romney says he wants to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires which will cost $5 trillion